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ADDRESS: The American Sign Language (ASL) sign for "address / live"
ADDRESS / live:
Note: Some people do the sign "LIVE" using "L" handshapes on both hands (This is called "initialization"). Again, not worth arguing about. But if your instructor or Deaf friend likes it a certain way, do it that way.
LIVE / ADDRESS / / LIFE / SURVIVE:
If you want to know where someone lives currently, you could sign, "YOU ADDRESS WHERE?" (Which can be interpreted as, "You live where?" or "Where to you live?"
Note: The sign "ADDRESS" can be used to mean several other concepts like: live, life, and survive.
It is similar to the "live" sign, except instead of using "L" hands it uses "A" hands. The "A" handshape version of this sign can actually be used to mean "live" as in "Where do you live" = "YOU ADDRESS WHERE?"
Let me say that again. You can use the sign "ADDRESS" to mean either "address," "live," "alive," or even "survive."
You might see people sign "ADDRESS" to mean "alive." As in, "HE STILL LIVE?" (Meaning, "Is he still alive?") Or you could use the "LIVE" sign for that.
Note: In an "ASL class" if you need to make a distinction between ADDRESS and LIVE treat this sign as a noun/verb pair and sign:
ADDRESS: double movement (smaller movement done twice)
LIVE: single movement (larger movement done once).
This version of "live" is "initialized" with an "L." It cannot be used to mean "address." Use a single movement, straight up.
Question: A student asks: "How would u sign "life"? Is it the same thing as "live"?"
Answer:You could sign "life" the same as the initialized form of LIVE but if you plan on taking an ASL test any time soon I recommend you simply do the version of the sign that uses "A" handshapes. That one sign can mean: address / live / life / survive.
Note: If you want to know where someone is from, you would sign "WHERE FROM YOU?
See: "Where are you from?"
QUESTION:A student asks: "Can the sign for ADDRESS (as in a home address) be used for the verb meaning of address?"
ANSWER: No. It would be better to choose some other sign that more closely fits your specific meaning and situation.
For example, if you were to be "giving an address at a convention" or "addressing a large group" you would use the sign commonly labeled as "LECTURE, speech, give a talk." If by address an issue or topic you mean you want to "discuss" it with your partner or group then use the sign DISCUSS.
See the following links for some more ideas on how to sign address.
Keep in mind that there are many other possibilities. Think about your situation and what sign might fit best.
A student writes:
Hi Dr. Bill!
I realized recently that I can't tell the difference between ‘bath' and ‘address'. Does ‘bath' start lower on the body?
ADDRESS is two quick upward thrusts as if signing the open-A version of the sign LIVE twice. The movement path is straight up the body and then a loose movement down to the starting point then quickly up again. The hands end somewhat off the body after the second movement (about an inch or two). The upward movements are very slightly faster than the downward relocation movement.
BATH is a rubbing movement as if trying to clean your body. The hands move up, down, up without any arc.
+ Dr. Bill
OPTIONAL DISCUSSION / no need to read beyond this...
One of my associates insists that the sign ADDRESS should always be done with a double movement to mean "address" otherwise it will mean "live." Her husband however isn't convinced. Neither am I. But, if you ever take her class make sure to do it her way (using a double movement) since she will be giving the grade.
Technically, she has a good point. Nouns of noun/verb pairs (like ADDRESS-noun & LIVE-verb) do tend to use a double movement. On the other hand, high speed signing often drops repetitive movement. For example, the combination of signs "EMAIL ADDRESS" almost always drops the "double movement" of the sign ADDRESS.
If you do the sign ADDRESS in isolation you tend to use a double movement. This sign really isn't worth arguing over since you can see expert signers doing it either way.
An ASL Hero writes:
Dear Dr. Bill,
I am presently taking an ASL class (this time at a Community College with Gallaudet professors, reason why going there, for them as teachers!) and am having some problems with the WAY they are teaching this course. I've taken private lessons from a Gallaudet alumni who teaches in small groups, is a storyteller, signs BEAUTIFULLY (OMG!), and in 2002 was taking this SAME EXACT course (at the same college, but with a VERY different book - and teacher)...anyway...in one of your lessons you state that it is okay to sign, "WHERE FROM YOU?"
I have always been taught that in ASL the English question:" Where are you from?" would be translated into ASL as:
"You from where you?" as opposed to "Where from you?"
I can deal with the new signs and different meanings for the same sign, but I'm getting so confused due to learning from so many different people, all whom seem to have different ideas of how to TEACH sign, all are Native ASL users, and they are also using different ways of forming "sentence" structure, which is the MOST confusing to me.
-- Name on file
In general in ASL we do tend to put "wh" type signs (who, what, when, where, why, & how) at the end of question sentences.
To understand why we do this it helps to realize that it feels strange and/or uncomfortable to hold a WH facial expression (furrowed eyebrows) for the duration of a medium length or longer sentence (four signs or more).
So we tend to move the WH question to the end.
The facial expressions we use in ASL to form questions are the equivalent of how Hearing people raise the tone of their voice.
Here is the thing to understand though, when Hearing people ask very short questions, they raise the tone of their voice throughout the whole question.
Hearing people do this because the meaning of this very short utterance is actually made more clear by using the raised tone of voice throughout the whole sentence (since the duration is so short). Try it yourself. Say "Are you GOING?" and only emphasize the last word. Then voice it again and emphasize all three words: "ARE YOU GOING?"
You will probably think that it feels "weird" to try to say "Are you" (normal voice) and then switch over to "GOING?" (high tone) for just the last word. It feels "better" to just say all three words in high tone since the sentence is so short. It is more smooth and less jarring to use one tone for a short sentence than to try to cram two different tones into a three word question. Just as common (for Hearing people) is to say "You going?" -- with a rise in the voice taking place of the "are." Which is to say, Hearing people often do not "say" the word "are" but rather indicate "are" by raising the voice.
The same thing applies to signed conversations using short three-concept questions. Very short questions can use the WH question at the beginning of the sentence since it becomes more smooth and "economical" to form one facial expression for a three-sign sentence using a non-topicalized sentence structure than it is to form two different facial expressions for a 3-sign sentence using a topicalized sentence structure.
Many ASL teachers (even the really "good ones" that teach at prestigious universities) and who sign "really well" have pre-conceived notions and/or biases that prevent them from wrapping their minds around this principle.
Now, how do advanced signers really ask where someone is from? We don't even use the sign "WHERE." HA! We often just sign "YOU FROM?" while using furrowed eyebrows! The "where" concept is expressed by the furrowed eyebrows and thus doesn't need a separate sign. I like to write that as: "YOU where-FROM?" I lowercase the word "where" in the gloss as my way of indicating that it is "included" in the concept but doesn't use a separate sign. Also, we tend to drop the sign YOU from that question if it is obvious to whom we are asking the question. If we are meeting three new people we might tend to add "YOU" or "YOU-plural/sweep" to the sentence to clarify exactly to whom we are asking the question.
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