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Edition William G. Vicars, Ph.D. MCSE, MCT, MCP+I, A+, Network+, EdNet |
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Opening "Chat Log Session 5" (Chapter 5) Lii: Hi, DrV!:) DrVicars: Hi, how are you? Tigie: I'm fine thanks, and you DrVicars: Great thanks. Lii: I'm doing great, thanks! DrVicars: So, where are you two from? Tigie: I'm in San Francisco. This has been an unusually busy week for me. Lii: Colorado. DrVicars: Such diversity. What lines of work? Tigie: I work with retarded children, some with other disabilities too Lii: I'm disabled with a neuromuscular disease, so I don't work outside the home.
I volunteer, DrVicars: Gotcha. What time do you have? Sandy: 8:59 Lii: 7:01MST DrVicars: Okay looks like we are ready to get started. Tigie: I'm finding it difficult to memorize this stuff w/out someone to practice
on/with any DrVicars: Sure... Lii: I volunteer at my sister's elementary school and her class is trying to learn sign
so we can DrVicars: Good idea. Also have you checked into any of the local deaf clubs? Some
of the high Tigie: I don't know of any here in SF. Sandy: Would the clubs be listed in a phone book? DrVicars: Sometimes they are, or you could contact the National Association of the Deaf
and [Note: Last I checked, the National Association of the Deaf address is: 814
Thayer Ave Silver DrVicars: If you will email me during the week, I will look up the SF club, or at least
GLAD. Tigie: Thanks alot, I will :-) DrVicars: I just found a phone number for GLAD Tigie: great DrVicars: (213) 383-2220 That number is a few years old but you can give it a
try. It is for Tigie: I'll call them but LA is an 8 hour ride from here. DrVicars: They have outreach programs. I used to work for the one in Orange County as a
Tigie: Cool-thanks DrVicars: Okay welcome to class all of you. Let's discuss indexing, personal
pronouns, and DrVicars: First off, indexing: It is when you point your index at a person
who is or isn't in the DrVicars: If the person is there, you can just point at him to mean "HE" DrVicars: If the person is not there, if you have identified him by spelling his name
or some other DrVicars: Need clarification on that ? Sandy: While we're speaking of identifying, how are "namesigns" established? DrVicars: Namesigns are somewhat like "Indian names." You know
the movie, "Dances with Sandy: :-) DrVicars: The hero in the movie got that name because he was playing around in a field
with a Tigie: My nickname is the sign for tiger. DrVicars: Do they initialize it with a "T"? Tigie: No, two "whiskers" or claws on the each side of the face Sandy: ok, that explains why a co-worker refers to his army buddy with a salute while
forming DrVicars: Right it is a good system but localized. You can't just go anywhere and
sign a name That is how ASL often works in general. Hearing people may occasionally influence
the One last thought on this is that your standards of culture don't apply here. Deaf
will sometimes This would be rude in hearing culture but to the deaf it is obvious and
effective. Don't think they DrVicars: Now lets talk about personal pronouns. The simplest way is to just point. If I am talking to you and want to say
"YOU" then I point. To DrVicars: Of course if the people are present then you can simply point to them.
The more Art: Does the sweep dip? DrVicars: It stays on a horizontal plane most of the time. If I am talking about
a group that is DrVicars: Okay now let's see how this all ties into the principle of "directionality." Suppose I index BOB on my right and FRED on my left. Then I sign
"GIVE-TO" from near If I sign GIVE TO starting the movement from the place off to the right and
move it to the left it Sandy: "Fred give to me?" DrVicars: Right. Sandy: How do you establish tense at that point? DrVicars: Tense would be established before signing the rest of the sentence. I
would say, Lii: Can tense be done at end of sentence, or is that confusing? DrVicars: That is confusing--I don't recommend it. I can however give you an example of
DrVicars: That sentence talks about a situation that happened before now, but the
current DrVicars: You can directionalize many different verbs. Hand-to is the best
example, but For example ME-MEET-YOU can be done in one motion. I don't need to sign
"I" "MEET" Monica: How do we know which verbs to use? DrVicars: That is the hard part. Some just aren't directional in nature.
For example: "WANT." DrVicars: But if you are in doubt about whether or not to use indexing or
directionality, go Monica: :-) Art: Could you give examples for sweep, chop, and inward sweep diagrams used in [the
Basic [Note, Dr. Vicars uses BSC as one of the texts in one of his classes. He uses
many other texts DrVicars: Sure. The sweep would be to pluralize a sign like THEY. DrVicars: The chop I'm not sure what you're referring to is it ... [Clarification was made. The diagram in question is in the Basic Sign
Communication text, Art: Yes, the center at the bottom DrVicars: Hold...okay...got it. You are talking about the three diagrams
below the slightly Art: Yes DrVicars: Good...we're making progress... If I were handing a paper to a number of
individuals, If I were talking about passing a piece of paper to the class in general I would
use the lower left Art: Thanks [...various discussion...] DrVicars: Okay homework for next week DrVicars: Check out: Classifiers, Initialization, Terminology and the concept
areas of Feelings DrVicars: Then we will discuss them more next week DrVicars: Any questions? Sandy: Can you clarify nice/clean vs. excuse? DrVicars: Nice and Clean are pretty much the same sign just used in different
contexts. The Sandy: no, I think as I practice it'll come...thanks :-) Lii: Can the same sign be used for pants and slacks. I've seen two different
signs for pants and DrVicars: Yes, but if the deaf in your area feel strongly about it, by all means sign it their way. Lii: OK, thanks. DrVicars: If I want to say slacks, I will sign "NICE" or "FANCY"
before or after signing Sandy: LOL Sandy: I was just smiling because I am amazed how iconic and straightforward this is --
it makes DrVicars: Right San. Crazy: I am not sure about signing the colors DrVicars: Okay let's talk about colors, Crazy are there any particular questions you
have or just Crazy: When signing the colors, does my palm face me or other people? Do I shake
it left and DrVicars: Most of the colors (the ones that shake or twist: BLUE, GREEN, PURPLE, But remember, orange, brown, red and a few others are on the face. Crazy: okay , thanx Tigie: Certain letters, like "d" face the speaker to look like a "d" right? DrVicars: Most of the letters somewhat face the receiver (at a comfortable 45 degree
angle). Let's take the letter d for example, if I were signing to you the tips of my fingers
would point a Tigie: Oh, I thought the index finger was facing me. [The tip of the index finger points upward, the palm points mostly forward.] DrVicars: The exception is for the "g" and "h" letters--he palm is
slightly back toward the signer Tigie: thanks, I was confused Lii: Fingerspelling seems a whole lot less... (I can't think of the word)...
"cumbersome" in the DrVicars: Sure, just remember my main rule: "If it hurts, don't do it!" Lii: LOL DrVicars: The deaf won't sign something in a painful way Tigie: I saw a sign interpreter Sat. she didn't use exact english, but ASL. Is that common? DrVicars: Sure, lots of variations. Respect it all. Tigie: I could understand a little tiny bit:-) DrVicars: I personally sign somewhere between Pidgin and ASL for most of my
interactions Lii: Can you leave out words like "it" "so" "the", etc. when signing? DrVicars: Yes. DrVicars: I prefer to leave them out. They don't help convey the message. DrVicars: "it"can be done as an indexed motion, (pointing at the
"it"), but "A, AN, THE, and DrVicars: The functions they serve are "still expressed" but in a different
form, (head-nods, body Lii: Good! That helps a lot, because it's easier to get the point across without them. DrVicars: For example, with the "head-nod," I can say, "I am a
teacher" by signing "ME DrVicars: Okay anything else before I wrap up? Any suggestions to improve the
course? Any Sandy: I'm amazed how much we can get across just by being in this chat room. Tigie: I think it's great-I wanna take the next one too-when will it start? [various discussion] DrVicars: Okay then looks like we've come to the end of a successful session, I will
see you all Crazy: great class , many thanx Sandy: Thanks again for the homework you do to get this all across to us :-) Kelly: thanks - bye Monica: Thanks, you really helped me with directionality tonight. It was confusing. :-D Daniel: Good night all. DrVicars: You're welcome. Bye for those of you who are content. I'll stay
and chat for a bit Lii: Thanks, Bill, for offering this course. You have a super week. The rest of you, too. Decca: Thanks for all your help. Good night Closing "Chat Log #5" |