In a message dated 7/17/2009 10:01:03 A.M. Pacific
Daylight Time, Michael Vance writes:
Hey Dr. Vicars,
... I know that tense is established at the beginning of the sentence, such
YESTERDAY I DAN MEET
What I am curious about, however, is how do you change the tense of only
part of your sentence. For example, what would the ASL gloss for this
"Today, I need to email the people that I met yesterday."
There are two tenses in this one sentence! What do you do?
Thanks for your help!
Actually I'd sign, YESTERDAY I MEET DAN.
Or, I'd sign "DAN? YESTERDAY I MEET-him"
Any other construction would be an silly attempt to make ASL look less like
English. If you have a local instructor who is telling you that "YESTERDAY I
DAN MEET" is the way to do it, I'd encourage that person to study ASL
Linguistics a bit more.
As far as the sentence: "Today, I need to email the people that I met
yesterday" -- the correct way to sign it depends on the situation:
Situation 1: Suppose the person with whom I'm conversing doesn't know yet
that I have met anyone. I would sign: "YESTERDAY I MEET MANY PEOPLE. I NEED
EMAIL THEM TODAY." (Note: I added the concept "MANY" as an example of
typical usage. To sign the sentence without some sort of quantifier would be
Situation 2: Suppose the person with whom I'm conversing already knows that
I went to a convention or meeting yesterday and that I met people and he or
she knows that I met some more people this morning. Now I need to convey the
specific idea that I need to email a subset of all the people I have met. I
could sign: "PEOPLE I MET YESTERDAY? I NEED EMAIL-them TODAY!"
When signing ASL it is important to recognize when "time-related" signs are
being use to establish tense and when they are being used to modify or
describe other concepts. Both of the examples above are correct ASL grammar
when done in context. The context includes the person with whom you are
conversing and their knowledge of the situation. Thus what constitutes
"correct ASL grammar" depends in part on how much the other person knows
about your topic.
-- Dr. Bill
Richard (a skilled ASL instructor) writes:
<< I would sign "yesterday, me meet meet people. (head nod body shift) today
(eyebrows up) email email (sweeping) them must.">>
[[No need to read the following. Just the ramblings of a lexicographer
aspiring to be a linguist. If such things interest you, then read on...]
Ah yes, indeed a beautiful interpretation.
And a skilled signer would likely use the side to sideways movement
"glancing blow" contact between the handshapes as we sign MEET MEET. (If
that is ambiguous, ask me in person.) -- Just one of the thousand micro
variations that influence the meaning.
Now, would you sign it that way in BOTH situations?
(1. High context 2. Low context)
How would you account for pre-existing knowledge (high context) in one of
What is interesting about this sentence is that we will sign it differently
depending on the meaning of the speaker.
We have to ask ourselves why is the English speaker adding the word “today”
to his (or her) sentence?
Instead of just saying “I need to email the…” he is saying “Today
I need to email the…”
We also ask ourselves why did you (Richard) gloss the word “must” instead of
the word “need?”
(Which would seem to indicate you would be using a single strong movement
for your sign “must” as opposed to a gentler double movement for “need?”)
What is it about the original sentence that caused you to choose "must?"
Next we ask, is there a difference between the sign(s) for “today I will” vs
“today I must”?
Then we look at the move/hold pattern of the sign “TODAY-must.” This sign is
a variant of the sign TODAY but done further out from the body and with a
stronger second movement that has a considerably longer hold than the normal
movement and almost always comes at the end of a statement.
The signs “TODAY-must” and “NOW-or-never” are both, curiously, almost always
done at the end of a sentence.
Thus if we interpret the English sentence as have an “imperative” meaning
such as “I must email those people today” and if we use the “TODAY-must”
sign, that sign will (by convention) end up at the end of the sentence.
If however we interpret the English sentence as “declarative” (and not
“imperative”) then the sign TODAY (non-inflected) will likely end up at the
beginning of the sentence.
So we ask, is the use of “today” in this sentence intended to be declarative
I reckon the only person who can answer that would be the original speaker,
but in the absence of such information we can best proceed by looking at
other typical examples. Perhaps the quintessential example might be:
“I need to go to the store.”
“Today I need to go to the store.”
In the above example we see that “today” is not being used to establish
tense but rather it is being used semantically to add the meaning that
“tomorrow won’t be acceptable.”
Now compare our original sentence:
"Today, I need to email the people that I met yesterday," and ask yourself,
why didn’t the speaker simply say: "I need to email the people that I met
The fact is we don't need to "do" anything to establish "present tense." It
is understood by default. Thus we could reasonably conclude that the
function of the word “today” in the original sentence is not to establish
“tense” but rather to function as an adverb.
All of the above discussion aside, I again affirm that your (Richard)
version is an excellent example of the conventional "time, topic, comment"
approach to ASL grammar as applied to expressing dual tense.
All I'm saying is that in real life, many native ASL signers are going to
stick the inflected sign "TODAY-must" at the end of a sentence because it is
being used to make a comment, not establish tense.
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