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William G. Vicars, Ph.D.
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|Opening "Chat Log Session 7"
DrVicars: Good evening how are you?
Art: Hi Bill, Im fine. I have a joke for you
DrVicars: Love to hear it.
Art: Olie & Lena went to the doctor. [Olie is hard of hearing] The
doctor says, Lena you got
Art: 1st you got to keep everything real smooth. You got to iron
everything. 2nd you got to fix
DrVicars: RTFL LOL, I love it!
DrVicars: Here's one for you: The wife and I are going for a drive. I get pulled
over by a police
Officer: "Hey buddy! Your wife fell out three miles back!"
Art: HA HA
DrVicars: Okay welcome to class!
Let's get with it, for the agenda tonight I have a whole bunch of thought questions for
If not I'll get to the questions...
DrVicars: Is ASL universal?
Lii: I thought so, but aren't there different variations according to countries?
DrVicars: Right! There are, and that leads to my next question: Does sign have dialects?
DrVicars: Okay, so, sign is NOT universal and it does vary, (even from state to
Lii: Because of dialects?
DrVicars: Why the dialects? Why more so than hearing people? Why is there greater
DrVicars: For example, if I go to CA they will sign some signs quite a bit differently
DrVicars: Let me suggest that in the morning a hearing person turns on the television
or the radio
DrVicars: Have much less exposure to signs from outside of their region. Video
DrVicars: Next question: What should left handed signers do?
Art: Reverse positioning of hands.
DrVicars: Mirror image. Meaning, whatever a right handed signer does, the leftie
can do the
DrVicars: Also, now that we are down to a manageable size class we can dispense with
Art: But I'm not sure what my answer means.
DrVicars: Oh let me explain--If I'm a lefty, I fingerspell with the left. I would
do everything with
Switching back and forth can be confusing sometimes because we use comparative sentence
DrVicars: Does that clear it up?
Lii: Does it get harder to "read" another signer when they do that,
DrVicars: Only a little. It becomes pretty clear after you get used to
it--kind of like an accent.
Lii: I guess it comes with the ole' proverbial "practice" again.
DrVicars: Is sign language used in monasteries?
Has anyone visited a monastery before?
If so, did you learn any of the signs they use?
DrVicars: There is a monastery in Huntsville, Utah, near my home town. I visited
and talked to
Art: How can that be?
DrVicars: What do you mean Art?
Art: How are their signs sexual?
DrVicars: To him they weren't sexual, but they had other meanings in ASL.
Lii: No, in fact, this is quite interesting!
DrVicars: The point is though that I really enjoyed learning about his signs. It
was a neat
DrVicars: A new language opens new doors. So if you have the chance, you should
DrVicars: Okay next question: How long does it take to learn to sign?
Art: A lifetime?
Lii: It would take seconds to learn a sign, but it takes years to perfect it. I would think.
DrVicars: Of course the answer is: "It depends."
DrVicars: How smart are you? How good at language acquisition in general? How
DrVicars: I remember having a roommate once. He picked up enough sign in two
Art: Even though we know English, we still learn new words years later. Some
people are still
DrVicars: What are some applications for sign? Jobs, etc.
Lii: Interpreting is the main one.
DrVicars: Good, what else?
Art: Directions, communications.
DrVicars: Fine, now let's get creative for a bit, how about underwater directions for
Monica: You can use it to interpret body language.
DrVicars: How about cheating in class?
Monica: Baseball or football signals.
DrVicars: Right, right! You get the idea.
DrVicars: Let's talk about non-verbal communication. Non-verbal communication is
But let's shout a warning here: body-language is ambiguous much of the
time. If a woman (or a
DrVicars: Maybe nothing. Maybe a lot. It depends. Did she get kicked
during a recent soccer
DrVicars: There are too many variables to tell with any certainty what a person is
DrVicars: Non-verbal communication is culturally based. I have a kid in one of my
He shakes his head for yes and nods it up and down to say no. (Exactly backwards
of how we
DrVicars: Now he is re-learning the American way but the other way became a habit for
DrVicars: When verbal and nonverbal conflict, people accept the nonverbal.
DrVicars: Albert Mehrabian (spelling?) did a study. (He is a psychologist at UCLA.) He found that in emotional communication situations, the communicative content of a message was as follows:
7 percent verbal
Art: What do you mean "para-verbal?"
Monica: Little of both?
Art: See I'm still learning English, LOL
DrVicars: Para-verbal includes sounds like, "hmmm" or "tsk
tsk." Utterances that are sort of
DrVicars: The sounds your mother used to make when you were in trouble.
(Heh) They were
DrVicars: Suppose you are walking down street and look in restaurant window. You
DrVicars: Now, truth be told, the words she said were, "I really love you too."
DrVicars: WHAT? How could she ever be saying words that are meant to express tenderness and closeness while behaving that way?
DrVicars: What happened is: the fellow told her, " I don't think I ever really loved you."
DrVicars: Oh wow. The words she said were meaningless--it was the way she acted
DrVicars: So--you see body language is more important that verbal words in most
Let me mention though that this is not necessarily true in technical or logistical-type
For those of you who don't know what emoticons are, they are those punctuation marks
[If you would like to read a little more about non-verbal communication there is a nice
Lii: It also helps to know something about other cultures. I lived with Alaskan
DrVicars: In Inuit language, Eskimos have one word that means "slice the blubber
DrVicars: Or by the same token, if ASL doesn't express things the same way as English
DrVicars: How does phonetics apply to fingerspelling?
DrVicars: Should you sound out the words phonetically, or say them letter by
DrVicars: When I ask new signers their names, they sometimes spell,
"F-R-E-D," (or whatever
DrVicars: What you should do is pronounce it normally. For example, if your name is
DrVicars: Getting your name (and other fingerspelled words) right on your lips is
[Please understand that I'm not saying you should mouth everything you sign! Quite the
DrVicars: Should you watch a signers hands or face?
DrVicars: Right. Later, as you become more skilled, you just concentrate on
the face and catch
DrVicars: How do deaf mothers hear their babies cry? How do deaf people hear the doorbell?
DrVicars: Well that is certainly one way, (if you have a very loud doorbell). One
of my friends
Art: Lights for the doorbell.
DrVicars: Right! We have lights for everything! Our houses are wired!
Deaf people used this
DrVicars: Any questions about assistive technology?
Art: Can you give more examples?
DrVicars: Sure. A couple of years ago I took a group of students on a
DrVicars: The deaf youth took it in stride but the hearing kids had more fun calling
from room to
Lii: LOL! Are these devices expensive? What happens when some deaf can't afford them.
DrVicars: Yes they are. You have to be rich to be deaf.
Lii: Are there programs for people to purchase these things?
Daniel: Do organizations like NAD help assist with modifying homes or is that left up
DrVicars: There are programs, depending on your state. Some states are better than others.
DrVicars: California is the best, (my opinion). Lately prices have been dropping
DrVicars: I can get a catalog number for you all if you will hold sixty
seconds, (I'm running for
DrVicars: 1-800-825-6758, Harris Communication
DrVicars: 1-800-767-4461, Sign Enhancers
DrVicars: 1-800-475-4756, Sign Media Inc.
DrVicars: I haven't called them in a while so you take your chances with those numbers,
DrVicars: Okay, that wraps it up for tonight's lesson.
DrVicars: You all have a good night now.
Lii: You have a SUPER week. Thanks for everything.
Monica: What sets off the light when the baby cries? Noise?
DrVicars: Right Monica!
Art: Good night
Daniel: You too. Good night all.
DrVicars: The device has a sensor that detects sound. When the noise level is
loud enough the
DrVicars: Okay have a nice night, any other questions, feel free to email me.
Monica: Good night
Closing "Chat Log #7"